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Optical illusion and our perception of self/environment

“A human being is part of a whole, called by us the Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circles of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.” ~Albert Einstein

If you look at the image above you may see a vase or upon further examination you can also see two faces looking at each other,but it is difficult for our eyes to see both at the same time…this concept led to the important insight that the training of our brain determined what our eyes would see first and also its tendency not to see the whole picture.

According to Gestalt Psychology the diagram of the vase is the figure and the two faces are the ground…this perception is equally true when looking at the interrelationship of our self and environment…they are inseparable,interrelated and interdependent…but we usually learn to focus our attention on the self (ego)and tend to ignore the environment…social conditioning is inclined to stress the importance of the self while encouraging us to ignore and exploit our environment…this has become a source of serious problems not only in our alienation from Nature but we are also finding it is destructive to live in a way inconsistent with the natural intelligence of our environment…it is becoming clear we are dependent on a balanced relationship with our environment or we will not survive.

Our mistaken perception of seeing our self as the primary factor in our relationship to the environment occurred by a false assumption in social learning which can be corrected …we may still find the clarity possibly through science that this assumption is false which can lead to an understading our harmony with the environment is necessary for our well being and survival.


“The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self”~ Albert Einstein

Reblogged from Right Brain Cafe

Serena

Tackle the consciousness, not the symptom - Climate Change COP 15 Message

This video is features the best speech of the century - and speaks for me; at least my inability to speak or write since I had an experience merging with the ocean in Antarctica as well as participating in “Bohm Dialogue” or conversations which focus on possibilities and inner selves, as well as meditation.

To me, people conduct current actions in a way that is consistent with future as they perceive it. One of the cause of inaction (to climate change etc)  is our fixation on achieving the goals - we pay so much attention to creating the “future” (which is in some forms of an American dream or the other)  that we forget to take care of our state of being, how we feel right now (stress, frustration, or patterned complaints)

The fixation on future, like everything else, goes down to perceiving self as separated from the “others,” our external realities. After all, it is “my future” and not future of humanity or planet earth i am working hard for! - and this, according to this scientists- is because of the work of our left hemisphere of the brain.

This video gives a scientific backing through evidence of actual personal experience (which is always less suspicious to me in terms of admissibility and veracity of evidence)

and it reminds me of Didi Sarvagyia, who cried for me, when i told her my story - similar to this scientist.

P.S.

My friends and team-mates are at COP 15 (Dec 7-18th) right now!

Here is the message we are delivered in the form of 3000 postcards (and on our sustainability bags, hoodies etc)

Climate Chance COP15 Postcard - Climate Change is a symptom, and a chance for the world to redefine happiness together.

Please become  http://apps.facebook.com/causes/causes/415927/

a member of the facebook cause and invite more people to spread the message before Dec 18th end of the Climate Negotiation UNFCCC COP15 and get the postcard sent to yourself or friends from Copenhagen.

Why i support it:

The negotiation is not going anywhere now, but scientists say that’s better for the world.  I agree.

National Sovereignty is the foundation of International Environmental Law and treaties (including the Kyoto Protocol), but the broader context is that United Nation’s budget is only 1.8 % of the World’s Annual Military Expenditure - $1.5 trillion ($1,500,000,000,000) - What is national interest? who is it really serving?


My proposal is that without re-imagining what does it mean to be a human being in this planet - what it takes to be happy - any resolutions will reinforce the unjust system which led us to here in the first place.

In a world of multinationals (top 200 combined sales of corporates are bigger than all nations GDP combined minus top 50), it is up to us and not the politicians, who can vote through everything we buy and not to buy —that will lead us to a possibilities and a future different from the past.

Seeing the choice we have in our hands, now, is critical.


Statistic based on:
http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending
http://www.globalissues.org/article/74/the-arms-trade-is-big-business
http://www.globalissues.org/article/234/the-rise-of-corporations

Thought for Copenhagen

Hey, its Jeff here =)

So what is my message for Copenhagen? Do I push for more radical changes than the ones proposed? Do I shout that the leaders were wrong to give up hope of a legally binding protocol to replace Kyoto? Or should I just leave a message of support for what is, to be honest, relatively a big leap forward?

Now I, for one, am not one who wishes to impose thoughts to people; I’m not exemplary at argueing and forcing an opponent to concede. Instead, I prefer to listen and think, to reconcile and negotiate, to question and reason. Diplomacy is my forte and I have to say, I sympathise with the negotiators for actually getting as far as Copenhagen, it already represents a significant shift in collective thinking. ‘Tis an arduous task, one that people have staked a lot on and I believe it is rather unfair for people to clamber and shout for more. No challenge of this magnitude has faced us before, no endevour as harrowing, no leap as daunting. Naturally, this has evoked fear and suspicion, ‘tis but human nature for there to be dissent and questioning; after all if we all thought alike with one mind and no difference in thought, what would that make us?

I respect that there are dissenters of this cry for change; men fear what they do not know. They have the right to question the evidence, to criticise the paucity of facts, to deny the nostrums presented to them. Such vigourous clamour encourages us to really see if we are right, to ponder the vicissitudes in opinions, to wonder if we are chasing but a chimera, ever enticing us and drawing us in. We are all the better for this diversity in thought. Alas, too often this criticism rejected, reconciliation withheld, dissent denied.

Therefore, my message to Copenhagen is simple yet complicated: listen and reconcile, hear and debate, take in and elucidate. Hear out what people have to say, both advocates and detractors of climate change negotiation and use reason and emotion albeit in small quantities for emotion. We are trying to upturn the established order, to uproot the tree of presumed knowledge, to evict the entrenched thought. Too often do environmentalists drown out criticism with utter disregard for the perception of arrogance; to presume that we know better and that society has to change in their mindset is to assume that we are superior and in the right. But are we now? Nothing is ever certain, no knowledge is supreme so how will we know if we are right? This, of course, is rather epistemological and not appropriate here but we should always ponder this.

Finally, we should also be grateful for getting this far in negotiations, Kyoto may not have worked but it was a step. Copenhagen shall be another step on the road to a fairer and more equitable world, a road that will be harrowed by challenges but they will be ones that are of benefit to the world. We have a responsibility to the world and our fellow human; we have to respect the planet and people’s opinions.  An abdication of either responsibility would be woeful indeed.

I wish the best of luck to our delegation and I hope they take onboard my rather long message and hope we all bear it in mind that we should listen.

What is sustainable? Sustainable development is development that lasts

World Bank Report 1992

From conservation of nature to conservation of growth (nature as capitals)

Stephanie’s Quotes and comments

The draft crouchure looks very good! :)

It includes a diversity of perspectives and a convergence of ideas

I have my own supplements :)

I have two ideas:

(1) I may want to say something about my opinion on the “bridge theory” that I published on tumblr the night before 350 rally. Which is about whether we want personal change in behaviour or a government level top down change?

see: http://tumblr.com/xgc3nlsuf

(2) a simplier perspective in the very systematic and philosopical perspectives of yours. Perhaps I want to start with something smaller, more instrinsic, more genuine thinkings:

“Ever since I was small, there was this touching picture of human living on green land under a boundless blue sky clinging in my mind, full of hope, love and honesty. I began to observe that human had long forgotten the deepest yet simplest truth – we are part of the nature. We are not here to act for the sake of acting. We want to plant our dreams, like picking up the deepest picture in our hearts.”

或许我看得简单单纯一点,脑海里一直都有着这样一幅图画:青草、蓝天、人类。洋溢着希望、爱和真诚。然后我开始看见人类忘记了一个最简单原始的真相:我们也是自然的一部分。我们在这里不是为做而做,我们必须看清楚心中那亩田,那个梦,种出我们想要的未来。

Welcome any discussion :)

we always want to talk, communicate, connect and think about climate change instead of just shout.

-Stephanie-

The graph of the iceberg shows my message to the people gathering at the Copenhagen.
A sentence /slogan to be added  -
“It’s Nobody’s Fault, let’s move forward together.   — it is a different way of thinking which will lead us to creating a possibility different from future”
以下这张图利用漂浮在海面的冰山简洁地表达我们在哥本哈根会议上的立场。我们相信,换个方式思考会为气候变化问题另辟蹊径。
For the bottom layer of the ice-berg, i wish to add “Nature and human beings are seperated” before “Happiness is external to me”
Would love to make this into a postcard with climate chance logo as stemp, COP 15 logo as Chop.  And we can start a postcard campaign! Or ask jessica suggests - send the idea to 350.org
Any suggestions?
This idea  is based on my point of view which is that:
- I see climate change as a symptom of an outward materialistic view of life where everything “external” can be valued and balanced, which as I discovered later, naturally causes pain and suffering, because no matter what I have or achieved now, things in the future or of others’ are always better.   The ego will always compare.  The journey of advocating for climate change had somehow led me to a point when I could feel and experience reality directly, as part of the interconnected whole, when every second becomes moment of eternal happiness.    In Chinese philosopher, Dao’s word, it is a state of oneness with heaven and man. (天人合一).   There is nothing wrong gaining pleasure from material objects, it is just limiting, and I believe in a possibility of collective evolution of human consciousness at this time in history.
Background:
As you know, 7 of our members are going to Copenhagen:  - Jessica (Chief Coordinator),  - Ryan (Steering Committee Intern),  - Philip (Member),  - Xilin (member),  - Belle (member)  with Green Advocate;  - Marina (Ex-Co, AYCS 08 Organiser),  - Amy (Co-Founder, Strategic Partner)  going as part of the Chinese Youth COP 15 Delegation.
We really hope that before they set off in Dec 12th and 8th respectively, we can have your message to Copenhagen included.
Idea of Postcard Campaign 1- A Cartoon - Design - Go to  hkccc.tumblr.com  to see one design I made. Feel free to suggest comment and make new ones! 2- Climate chance logo stamp with Copenhagen as chop 3- Cartoon add slogan - “It’s Nobody’s Fault, let’s move forward together.   — it is a different way of thinking which will lead us to creating a possibility different from future”4- The other side - Brief Intro  Climate Chance, a youth network which believes in the possiblity of a paradigm shift.  We are based at HK, Macau, China, founded since Bali UNFCCC COP13, and is organiser of the Asian Youth CLimate Summit at the University of Hong Kong 2008.Idea of a Climate Chance Brochure 1- Square format 20 X 20 cm - Hard colour paper Card as cover with climate chance logo at front -  i.e. “It’s nobody’s fault, let’s move foreward together!”
Back - the Cartoon, contact detail
2- Folded recyclable paper inside -  with who we are, what we did (photos) , why we here, what we are doing, how you can help. Why is our message? (See  next email for examples of  some personal voices and quotes)
Proposed by Serena

The graph of the iceberg shows my message to the people gathering at the Copenhagen.

A sentence /slogan to be added  -

“It’s Nobody’s Fault, let’s move forward together.   — it is a different way of thinking which will lead us to creating a possibility different from future”

以下这张图利用漂浮在海面的冰山简洁地表达我们在哥本哈根会议上的立场。我们相信,换个方式思考会为气候变化问题另辟蹊径。

For the bottom layer of the ice-berg, i wish to add “Nature and human beings are seperated” before “Happiness is external to me”

Would love to make this into a postcard with climate chance logo as stemp, COP 15 logo as Chop.  And we can start a postcard campaign! Or ask jessica suggests - send the idea to 350.org

Any suggestions?

This idea  is based on my point of view which is that:

- I see climate change as a symptom of an outward materialistic view of life where everything “external” can be valued and balanced, which as I discovered later, naturally causes pain and suffering, because no matter what I have or achieved now, things in the future or of others’ are always better.   The ego will always compare.  The journey of advocating for climate change had somehow led me to a point when I could feel and experience reality directly, as part of the interconnected whole, when every second becomes moment of eternal happiness.    In Chinese philosopher, Dao’s word, it is a state of oneness with heaven and man. (天人合一).   There is nothing wrong gaining pleasure from material objects, it is just limiting, and I believe in a possibility of collective evolution of human consciousness at this time in history.

Background:

As you know, 7 of our members are going to Copenhagen:
- Jessica (Chief Coordinator),
- Ryan (Steering Committee Intern),
- Philip (Member),
- Xilin (member),
- Belle (member)
with Green Advocate;
- Marina (Ex-Co, AYCS 08 Organiser),
- Amy (Co-Founder, Strategic Partner)
going as part of the Chinese Youth COP 15 Delegation.

We really hope that before they set off in Dec 12th and 8th respectively, we can have your message to Copenhagen included.


Idea of Postcard Campaign
1- A Cartoon - Design - Go to  hkccc.tumblr.com to see one design I made. Feel free to suggest comment and make new ones!
2- Climate chance logo stamp with Copenhagen as chop
3- Cartoon add slogan - “It’s Nobody’s Fault, let’s move forward together.   — it is a different way of thinking which will lead us to creating a possibility different from future”
4- The other side - Brief Intro  Climate Chance, a youth network which believes in the possiblity of a paradigm shift.  We are based at HK, Macau, China, founded since Bali UNFCCC COP13, and is organiser of the Asian Youth CLimate Summit at the University of Hong Kong 2008.

Idea of a Climate Chance Brochure
1- Square format 20 X 20 cm - Hard colour paper Card as cover
with climate chance logo at front -  i.e. “It’s nobody’s fault, let’s move foreward together!”

Back - the Cartoon, contact detail

2- Folded recyclable paper inside -  with who we are, what we did (photos) , why we here, what we are doing, how you can help. Why is our message? (See
next email for examples of  some personal voices and quotes)

Proposed by Serena

Example of making 18 minute speeches without using “stop” and yet, works!

Serena

Colonialism in decline - Informaiton Visualised

Something to be observed about nature of power, control, empires, desire to unify, our “physical world” and perhaps, change?

Posted by Serena

I know that you think you know what I said. But I’m not sure whether you understood that what you heard is what I meant.

Alan Greenspan

To me, it goes to language as medium of conversation, a means of representing realities. Sometimes, we get so attached to it, we think this represented reality is the reality itself, and when things change, the mind choose what it rather believe based on its belief; thus we no longer directly experience reality, we have the knowledge, but not able to act …we lose “control” over our body, thoughts, action, and thus, we fear. From fear, we erect system of control by controlling others and self.

Or at least we continue to try.

To me, this is the root cause of climate change, nobody’s fault…

If you are interested to find out more - check out this blog- Thoughts of Emergence.

Posted by Serena

Love or cosmic imbalance?

What would be my, how should I call it, spontaneous attitude towards the universe? It’s a very dark one. The first one, the first thesis would have been: a kind of total vanity. There is nothing, basically. I mean it quite literally. Like, ultimately there are just some fragments, some vanishing things, if you look at the universe it’s one big void. But then how do things emerge? Here, I feel a kind of spontaneous affinity with quantum physics. Where, you know, the idea there is that the universe is kind of a void, but a positively charged void. But then particular things appear when the balance of the void is disturbed, and I like this idea spontaneously very much. The fact that it’s not just nothing, things are out there, it means something went terribly wrong. That what we call creation is a kind of a cosmic imbalance, cosmic catastrophe. That things exist by mistake. And I’m even ready to go to the end and to claim that the only way to counteract it is to assume the mistake and go to the end, and we have a name for this; it’s called love. Isn’t love precisely this kind of a cosmic imbalance? I was always amused with this notion of “I love the world”, “universal love”. I don’t like the world, I don’t know how I—uh—I’m basically somewhere in between “I hate the world” and “I’m indifferent towards it”. But the whole of reality, it’s just it, it is stupid, it’s out there, I don’t care about it. Love for me is an extremely violent act. Love is not “I love you all”. Love means, I pick out something and—it’s again this structure of imbalance. Even if this something is just a small detail, a fragile individual person, I say, “I love you more than anything else.” In this quite formal sense, love is evil.

Slavoj Zizek (Senior researcher, Institute of Sociology, University of Ljubljana, Slovenia and Professor at European Graduate School.)

-werewolf

The best one can say is that development has created a global middle-class of individuals with cars, bank accounts, and career aspirations. It is made up of the majority in the North and small elites in the South and its size roughly equals that eight per cent of the world population which owns a car. The internal rivalries of that class make a lot of noise in world politics, condemning to silence the overwhelming majority of the people. At the end of development, the question of justice looms larger that ever.

Wolfgang Sachs, Planet Dialectics

Question:  How do you define sustainable development?

If one say it means development that “meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs.”

Whose needs?

Survival needs or luxury needs

For the task of global ecology can be understood in two ways: it is
either a technocratic effort to keep development afloat against the
drift of plunder and pollution; or it is a cultural effort to shake off the
hegemony of ageing Western values and gradually retire from the
development race. —Envirosocialism: Contradiction or Promise

To all Climate Chance teammates and my fellow classmates of the University of Hong Kong:

Why are you here?

Posted by Serena

Position Paper and Opening Speech of India - Copenhagen Simulation

India’s Position on United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change

Drafted by HKU/Poly U Copenhagen 2009 Simulation Project Team
Calvin Cheung, Serena Gao Jim, Lenzer, Ray, Winnie Ko, Cherry, Winnie Kwong, Richard Wong, Peko Fong, Jessica Yuan, Xilin Chen, Sebastian Lindstrom, Ryan Kilpatrick

1. National Obligations to Reduce Carbon and Greenhouse Gas Emissions

India realises that we would be one of the countries most affected by global climate change and is already starting to see the results in the form of severe draught and a reduction in agricultural yields. Because we are located in the global south and temperatures will continue to rise, it will add pressure to our already tenuous land and water resources, have an adverse impact on our agriculture, jeopardise our food security.
In addition, we have one the longest coast lines in the tropics, which would be affected by rising sea levels and the redistribution or displacement of people living in coastal areas, as well the ice melting from the Himalayas.

Although we are still enjoying moderate economic growth from the past decade, our efforts to develop are worthless if we let climate change take it away from us.

India is not going to follow the in the foot-steps of the developed countries, towards an economic model that fosters an unsustainable life style. We are willing to take up binding targets in order to inspire the world—and to for encourage the US and China to take the lead—even though we still need to lift the majority of our people out of poverty.


2. Carbon Trading Regime
We support the CDM initiative; however, we see the current system as a rational failure because it is constructed upon the same model as our economic structure (which necessitates ‘unlimited growth’). We, India, place equal value on promoting social good, protecting the environment and maintaining basic economic standards for people. This means that we will not compromise the production capacity of the people, taking on responsibilities at the cost of adding further burden to people; secondly, we seek to address the fact that the majority of emissions that we are talking about in India come from foreign-owned industries and factories which produces goods for consumption abroad. We call for radical reform which takes into account our values and these socio-economic realities. 

3. Adaptation and Technology Transfer Fund
Whilst we recognise the need to address historical contribution as well as our shared responsibility in dealing with climate change, we do not to follow the psychology of blame. Climate change is a symptom of a particular development model which, as we have seen, has failed to provide a safe environment – and so our government cannot afford repeating the same path.    The developmental model of the Industrial Age, which prides on the greater ability of human beings to manipulate and centralise natural resources for the purpose of temporary monetary and material benefits, reduces nature and humans to objects. Here, we would like to take the opportunity to call for a new and different development model.

India thinks that it can play a positive leadership  role in initiating the development of this new model. At the same time, without compromising the need to reduce our CO2 emissions, our ability to reduce emissions will very much depend on technology transfer from developed countries like the US, Europe and Japan.

4. Monitoring and Enforcement
We are prepared to create a domestic environmental agency to enforce and monitor any promises made here to show the world that we are sincere in realising any commitment we make at the international level. This confidence is based on the view that we do not see climate change as just a separate environmental issue: it is intimately linked to developmental issues like poverty, environmental and social degradation, and the people’s lack of faith in their leaders.  We call upon the international community to take a more a holistic approach—to see the underlying structural causes behind all these issues.

As the old Indian saying goes, ‘we borrow the earth from our children’.  Now is the time for us all, as part of the planetary community, to question some of the more fundamental assumptions our economic and political structures are based upon. It is a different way of thinking which will lead us to create new possibilities.

Opening Speech

By Calvin

India has a moderate economic growth from the past decade, many of our cities has been modernise and full of sky scrapper. Industrialisations have become top priority in the last decade.

The other day I went to a site visit in one of the major development zone. I saw shoes manufacturing plant operate at its full capacity. I hear the noise of trucks transporting goods to the customers. I saw the chimney of the power plant is smoking, that’s great, DEVELOPMENT has arrived to India!

I asked my assistant what are they burning to generate power, he said it is coal power station, I thought it was great! We can reduce the cost of electricity as much as possible to attract more manufacturing plants to build in our land. So we then go to check out the potential development area.

Across the river, I saw the slum area. I told my assistant to find a way to get rid of them. Suddenly a boy run toward me, he was wearing something with a Nike sign on it, they look a bit funny, not really a pair of trainers. I asked my assistant if he knew what model is that, I may want to get one for my boy. He told me that they are not trainer, that slum boy pick it up from the dump because those shoes factor has been dumping defect material in the slum area.

Sometimes, I found difficult to justify the progress of development in our nation, although we attracted many foreign investor into our nation, but to look at the quality of life of many of our people, there isn’t much improvement for the poor people.

Do we want these developments? While we are facilitating the westerner (replace with “investors, consumers of these products we produced”) to keep their unsustainable living style, at the same time we became one of the biggest CO2 emission contributors. We try to develop our country but the majority of our people are still very poor. Our society does not provide them opportunity to improve; we are just letting a small percentage of people take advantage from the other. Our development is accelerating the climate change, attracting some serious impacts into out own land; by taking away the capacity of some of our poorest people, we expose them to the impact that they will never able to deal with.

We are talking about climate change all the time. What would climate change bring to us? Here, now, I wish to say. Unlike other issues, CO2 does not recognise any kind of boundaries of human construct - nations or classes. The image in my head is not only drought, flood or extreme weather, but also an opportunity to change the way we develop economy – the way we treat our people, our country, our planet,our selves. Here, now, I would like to ask you, what is most important to you, as a human being? What do you have to give to this world? To me, climate change is a chance, to restore the true value of being human in this planet, to adjust our way of living, to live in a more conscious relationship to ourselves. It is not how much material we own for our short life time, it is how much we can share with other people. I have a strong believe that the treaty meeting has put us together, not just about sharing the responsibility to reduce CO2 level, but also to build acommunity where our unity and common goal is a working assumption.

Vision Building workshop proposed Agenda - feel free to change it!

Invitation letter:

Please come for a conversation to get connected and build our relationships. In Phase One, there will be no measurable outcomes. We are not coming to solve a problem.”

Time: Thursday Nov 12th

Place: Global Lounge

Confirm attendance at:

http://www.facebook.com/editevent.php?eid=178714347960&step=2

Proposed Agenda:

12:00 – 12:10  -  Who and why we are here?  - round-table introduction

12:10 – 12:20  -  Q & A – Shoot away current members any questions on the intention, meaning of words, ideas (vision, mission, approach to change, leadership model, structure etc.)  are written in our website – http://thenetworkforchange.org

12:30 – 12:50   - Anonymous Critique – Your most ideal version of a network - How would you have re-design it?

12:50 – 1:20    - Group discussion – What are the criteria you will set for yourself to evaluate your “success” at this network?

1:20 – 1:40      - Group report to everyone – changes and amendments to be made to the current vision/purpose.
1:40- 1:50        - Formation of independent ad hoc group to further discuss certain issues (if needed)

1:50 – 2:00 (potentially to 2:30)     – Check out – anything you wish to say to make the process complete?

Please leave your comments or start a new post to propose new ones.

More on Less is More

I have commented on this before, but when i saw this article, again from my must-read potential partner - The Interactive Institute for Social Change. (http://interactioninstitute.org/blog/)

In his July 2005 Ted Talk, psychologist Barry Schwartz takes aim at a central tenet of western societies: freedom of choice and how choices yields:

1. Paralysis, not liberation.

2.  Dissatisfaction with the choice made (because the known options make it easier to regret the option you choose against ).

3. Dissatisfaction with even high quality results (because the heightened expectations that have been created make “pleasant surprises” less frequent and our perceived bar for success unduly high).

4. Depression and self-blame. When experiences don’t meet our expectations, we find a way to blame ourselves and that makes us feel bad.

Schwartz connects our obsession with more — more choices, more options, more things — as an outgrowth of an affluent society.  I would add that these are outgrowths of a consumerist society…and yes, plain ol’ greed that underlies our capitalist value system. (See The Story of Stuff for more on this).

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Instead of more choice leading us toward freedom, it actually enslaves us.  Instead of so much more being better, some more and even less, may indeed be best.

Question

What does this call up and out in you? If this tenant is at the basis of economics (“opportunity cost”) How does this link to the cause of climate change?

I remember my best friend who is also a law students complain how boring her studies are (she is not alone in this), but she keeps telling herself and me that it leads to “more choices” in the future.

My question is, future becomes past the moment it comes to present.  If that’s the case, won’t you never be completely satisfied? Because you always want more (choices) and there always are more (choices) in the future…

Another Climate Chance - Request to use our name/logo - what are your views?

Dear Climate Chance members:

Please see below email correspondence of some very  interesting dialogue. between us and http://www.climatechance.nl/en/ based in Austria who had requested to use our name,  please post your advice as comments.

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To Climate Chance

Hello,
I’m writing to you concerning your network and its name. As your
description told me that your network is rooted in the COP-13 in Bali
you might know that the next FCCC takes places in December in
Copenhagen, Denmark.
As the danger that the conference only results in empty promises or that
it is overruled by national economical interests exists, we, a group of
activists, consisting of students, pupils and other people, have started
to build up a pressure group in order to make the politicians in
Copenhagen work properly.
The thing is that in our first meeting the name “Climate Chance” was
chosen, which is, obviously, quite similar to yours.
My question now is wheter that is a problem for you when we adopt this
name so that it would be “Climate Chance Austria”?
And the other question is whether you are interested in a cooperation
and in how far such a cooperation is useful or possible.

Thank you for your time&effort,
Thomas

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chance climat  to Thomas

Dear Thomas:
Hi! I am one of the co-founder of Climate Chance, it is indeed blissfully curious that you have chosen this name. May I know why your reasons?
And indeed, we are also going to Copenhagen and thus coorporation is not just possible, but essential. Would love to get to know more about you and how your all decide to put the “pressure” to avoid the “danger.”
I have attached a little analogy (Burning of Building) written by one of our advisors (Roger Burton)  asking the same question.  Would love to continue to share thoughts on that and help you in any possible ways.
Thank you very much !
yours,
Serena Gao

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Dear leds,

we read the analogy you attached to your last mail. We really like it
and it would be great, if we were allowed to translate it into german
and use it for our group, is this possible?

We also want to ask you something about the cooperation that you have called
“essential”. Is it imaginable for you, that our both groups use the same
name and the same logo?

We would like to check a few things before we cooperate. Our group has
agreed on a few points - and we would like to know whether you see them
like we do:

- the mission for the humankind, to stop climate change is very difficult.
And we want to make that clear to the people.
- we don’t want any donations - we want the people to change their lives
in to the benefit of our climate.
- our keyword is sustainability
- we want to name all reasons for climate change, including the production
of animal products
- we strictly oppose violence
- we decide consensual

Very many questions, sorry…

I presume that you can identify with the majority of these points. If
not, let us know so that we can discuss about that issue.

Thanks for your answer, hope we hear soon from each other,
Thomas

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Dear Thomas:
We will not mind you using the Burning of the Building Analogy at all. Be great if you can send us a German copy so i can show it to the original writer - Roger Burton.

For the logo. We do have some reservation at this point  because we may need to have further dialogues before we can be certain of what do you specifically mean or seek. (don’t mind skype etc. or you can post comments at our blog - hkccc.tumblr.com

Some of the key points which still need to discussed:


1- we do not wish to “stop” climate change, we do not see it as our goal - to avoid a crisis. We do not see it as being “difficult” either - it is a matter of finding what one truely want in life. (personally).   We see climate change as a symptom of a HUMAN system, a system which objectifies nature and other human beings, and self. (so even if climate change is not happening, not human induced, completely “stopped”, we will still be here.  We see climate change as a chance because it is  PLANETARY in scale as CO2 defies all boundaries of human construct (nation, class, ethnicity etc.)

2- The word “sustainability” carries a wide range of definition. Our key word used to be this as well, but it had failed to capture many people’s imagination so far. Taken as dictionary definition - to endure - it is an extremely materialistic wordview to try to define the natural law of imperminance, and thus falls within the same paradigm which gave rise to the problem in the first place.  Taken at the definition of “consumpitng at a rate greater than natural could regenerate” - again, it is from perspective of human vis-a-vis nature, it assumes nature needs to be “managed” and thus the objectification process remains. I do not think we would be ‘mission accomplished” if the world has come to “consume” at a slower rate.

3- For reasons of climate change - it is another interesting topic - see our blog discussions related to the topic of  climate change cause - there is a distinction we draw between what “caused it” and what “contributes” to it. In fact, the very idea of “causality” needs to be discussed (see idea of “feedback loop” as discussed by MIT PRofessor, System thinker who works with Roger Burton: Peter Senge - Fifth Discipline or the Necessary Revolution)

4- We do not state that we “oppose” anything - we do not have any negative rule so far, but we do like “peaceful” means - to be consistent with values of the emergent world we are creating.

5- Decision Making process - we aspire to be consensual, however, not there yet…still many problems, tensions, struggls.

So let’s continue the dialogue (on our blog - hkccc.tumblr.com) before we can merge into the same logo etc.

Love & Peace,

yours,

Serena